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New Podcast: Project-based Learning with A.I. and Improving Friendships

Project based learning can be enhanced using AI tools in this unique way that has students do comparative tasks as they compare their work and that done by ChatGPT.

In this episode, we dive deep into the transformative world of project-based learning! Our special guest, Or-Tal Kiriati from Tel Aviv, Israel, shares her innovative approach to integrating artificial intelligence and human experiences into multidisciplinary projects. From exploring the duality of human nature through literature (and a super amazing way to teach Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde) to teaching friendship skills in a digital age, Or-Tal's projects offer a fresh perspective on education. Learn from her techniques in her language arts classroom to see how you can engage your students, encourage critical thinking, and make learning an adventure!

Additionally, this is the 24th segment in the 80 Days of AI and HI, where I'm working to help all of us understand how human intelligence and artificial intelligence can work together in the modern classroom in ways that improve learning. It can be done and should be done in the right way. Denying students the opportunity to use AI appropriately is denying them the opportunity to build a better future with all of us working together.

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This week's guest

Currently an English teacher, an entrepreneurship teacher and head of Entrepreneurship Department and also, director of R&D with Shamir High Tel Aviv, Israel.



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Show Highlights:
  1. Introduction (00:00:00:02 – 00:00:08:05)

  2. Sponsor and Guest Introduction (00:00:08:10 – 00:00:39:16)

    Vicki introduces the episode's sponsor, Research Quest, and the guest, Or-Tal Kiriati, who is from Tel Aviv, Israel.

  3. Merging Humanity and A.I. in Projects (00:00:39:18 – 00:00:58:06)

    Vicki discusses her interest in Or-Tal's projects that combine elements of human experience with artificial intelligence.

  4. Or-Tal's Approach to A.I. in Education (00:00:58:08 – 00:01:30:08)

    Or-Tal explains how she started integrating artificial intelligence into her educational projects based on student interest.

  5. Additional Resources and New Video Feature (00:01:30:10 – 00:01:56:09)

    Vicki mentions the slideshow provided by Or-Tal and introduces a new video feature for the podcast.

  6. Listener Feedback and First Project Introduction (00:01:56:09 – 00:02:18:17)

    Vicki talks about the podcast's new format and asks about Or-Tal's first project about masks.

  7. The Duality in Me Project (00:02:18:17 – 00:02:55:12)

    Or-Tal describes her project, “The Duality in Me,” which is designed to teach the literature of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

  8. Student Engagement and Questions (00:02:55:14 – 00:03:35:11)

    Or-Tal shares how she engages students by encouraging them to ask questions related to the project's main theme.

  9. Project Phases and Activities (00:03:35:13 – 00:05:58:01)

    Or-Tal outlines the various phases of her project, including group formation and activities like analyzing art.

  10. Student Reactions and Comparisons (00:06:03:12 – 00:06:35:03)

    Vicki and Or-Tal discuss student reactions to the project and how they compared their own work to the book Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

  11. Examples and Student Work (00:06:35:03 – 00:07:33:07)

    Or-Tal provides examples of student work, including their interactions with an A.I. tool named ChatGPT.

  12. Second Project: Friendship (00:07:33:07 – 00:08:46:02)

    Or-Tal introduces her second project focused on the theme of friendship, explaining its multidisciplinary approach.

  13. Closing Thoughts (00:09:08:12 – 00:10:18:18)

  14. Sponsor Message and Conclusion (00:10:18:18 – 00:10:58:08)

    • Vicki revisits the episode's sponsor, Research Quest, and provides information on accessing their resources. John closes the podcast.


Introduction (00:00:00:02 – 00:00:08:05)

This is the 10 Minutes Teacher podcast with your host, Vicki Davis. Episode 815: Project-Based Learning with A.I. and Improving Friendships.

Sponsor and Guest Introduction (00:00:08:10 – 00:00:39:16)

Today's sponsor is Research Quest from the Natural History Museum of Utah. Stay tuned at the show's end to see how you can bring these three awesome inquiry-based science lessons to your classroom.

Meet Or-Tal Kiriati

Today we are talking to my new friend Or-Tal Kiriati. She is from Tel Aviv, Israel, and we met at ISTE. She is the Director of R&D and Entrepreneurship, a Teacher, and Head of the Entrepreneurship Department with Shamir High School in Tel Aviv.

Merging Humanity and A.I. in Projects (00:00:39:18 – 00:00:58:06)

I was really interested in some of your projects that you're doing, Or-Tal, because these projects are merging what it means to be human, but also artificial intelligence. So those are two very different things. What made you think about starting to combine all these different disciplines into one project?

Or-Tal's Approach to A.I. in Education (00:00:58:08 – 00:01:30:08)

Or-Tal Kiriati:
Well, I did this project before Artificial Intelligence, and it's actually the kids. It's on their mind and on their awareness, and I thought, well, hey, we can't do anything before we learn to work with this. So we decided to explore the use of artificial intelligence in the same assignment that the kids got before that, before artificial intelligence was a hit.

Additional Resources and New Video Feature (00:01:30:10 – 00:01:56:09)

So we're going to talk about this very unique set of projects. Now, I do want to mention that Or-Tal has graciously created a full slide deck that gives a lot of detail about these two projects, which will be embedded in the show notes. We are debuting the use of video for this season's podcast. So we've always been putting things on YouTube, but now you're going to get to see us if you want to listen on YouTube or see slides or see whatever.

Listener Feedback and First Project Introduction (00:01:56:09 – 00:02:18:17)

But still, you'll get the full experience, still listening to us in audio as well. So this is an experiment. Let me know what you think. Okay, Or-Tal. So you are going to talk about your first project, which is a project about masks, but it's not what anybody is going to think.

The Duality in Me Project (00:02:18:17 – 00:02:55:12)

It's a really unique project. So why don't you bring up your blog that kind of shows us the timeline of this particular project and tell us about this project called “The Duality in Me.”

Or-Tal Kiriati:
This project is built around a unit in literature. You can say that it is built in order to teach Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, but I guess it teaches a lot more than that. During the launch, we explained to the students what PBL is, and we introduce the driving question of the project. The driving question of the project is, why do we wear masks?

Student Engagement and Questions (00:02:55:14 – 00:03:35:11)

Or-Tal Kiriati:
In the first lesson, we analyze it with questions. I tell the students, “This is your question, now ask me more questions that will help us answer the first question eventually.” And so we start throwing various questions. I've done this project several times, and every time they keep surprising me with amazing questions like, “Who says we wear masks? Are the masks our creation or society's creation?”

Or-Tal Kiriati:
And also this question, really, it's mind-blowing. Once you get them to start to ask questions, the sky's the limit.

Project Phases and Activities (00:03:35:13 – 00:05:58:01)

Exciting. So you kind of introduce, you talk about it. That's always a good thing to do, to have an introduction phase of the project. And so when they get past that, what are you doing?

Or-Tal Kiriati:
Well, we form groups. The groups are for the duration of the project, and one of the very first lessons is titled “Masks in Art.” And basically, the students are introduced to classical works of art. Some of them are drawings, some of them are sculptures, and they're asked to analyze what is the mask in the work of art that they see?

Or-Tal Kiriati:
What does it represent? Why is it there? And then they should be able to present their findings to the class. This year, what we did with art is they were asked to do the same analysis. Then they were asked to do the analysis using ChatGPT and compare their analysis. Three attributes to the analysis objective ChatGPT did. The purpose, in my view, was to make them understand what are the differences between how a human thinks and how A.I. thinks.

Or-Tal Kiriati:
And I was sure that if they see these differences, they will better know how to assess any work that they would do with ChatGPT.

Yeah, and plus it's generating. So they started seeing the differences between their thought process and what ChatGPT was generating, then.

Or-Tal Kiriati:

Fascinating. So you go all the way through and then you go into a video production stage. What do you do in the video?

Or-Tal Kiriati:
In the video production, basically what they do is each group received only one chapter of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. There are ten chapters, all in all, in the book, and each group had to read only their own chapter. This is basically based on making them understand how characters and plot are built within a book. They have to take this chapter and after reading it, write a transcript or script.

Or-Tal Kiriati:
Really, of the chapter, plan how to record themselves in a video doing this chapter. They had to develop the looks and the feel of the characters and act out the character and put it on a video.

When they had their one chapter, had they read the other chapters at

all, or were they only allowed to read their chapter?

Or-Tal Kiriati:
No, only after I got all the videos, we presented all the videos in class as their class version of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, which obviously brought a lot of laughs, and only then they could read the whole book. You have never seen kids so anxious to read a book in your life.

Student Reactions and Comparisons (00:06:03:12 – 00:06:35:03)

I bet they were. And I bet they were curious about what happened to the other chapters, weren't they?

Or-Tal Kiriati:
And also to compare the book with the production.

Oh, that's fantastic. I think you had some examples you wanted to share.

Examples and Student Work (00:06:35:03 – 00:07:33:07)

Or-Tal Kiriati:
I have some examples of the work that was submitted to me with the 18. The first one is Leonardo's “Men in Red Chalk.” Basically, ChatGPT pointed out the chapter pretty focused on something else. They said we focused more on the idea. It was such a beauty. First talked about the painting and Leonardo da Vinci in general, then suggested two ideas and didn't expand much on either of them.

Or-Tal Kiriati:
They were actually disappointed with what ChatGPT did for them.

I think this project, the way you designed it, really pulls out the nuances of what it means to be human versus what it means to have a rudimentary analysis that's more typical. Plus, you're asking them to be creative, and being creative is uniquely human. That's fascinating. So you had one other project which we'll just have time to highlight briefly that you did with a different grade level.

Second Project: Friendship (00:07:33:07 – 00:08:46:02)

What was that project, and how did you pull in the different multi-disciplines?

Or-Tal Kiriati:
This was a ninth-grade project about friendship. The idea was it's based on a unit in a textbook. And what we wanted to do is use a different approach to teaching various topics. I teach English as a foreign language, so they had to learn new vocabulary and grammatical structures. And I also wanted them to develop some other skills, like being able to research in English, to conduct an interview, to translate interviews, because they conducted interviews mostly in Hebrew, and had to translate it into English in order to present it in class.

Or-Tal Kiriati:
And at the end, they had to produce their own friendship handbook, how to be good friends, how to maintain friendship, etc.

I had a student all this year who was a STAR student for our school, and he named me STAR teacher. It's a competition we have here in the United States, and his platform was actually about friendships and about social media in particular. He wrote a great line in his essay. He said, “We need to put down our phones and go pick up a friend and take him out to lunch.”

So do your students, your ninth graders, value friendships?

Or-Tal Kiriati:
Of course, they do. However, I do accept the fact that today, friendships also spread around phones. There's nothing we can do about it. It's part of their social life. It's part of their daily communication.

Closing Thoughts (00:09:08:12 – 00:10:18:18)

It is part of who they are as long as they don't lose sight of what's behind them. Of course.

Or-Tal Kiriati:
I assume my personal kids, after they met new friends, did you notice your new friend's eye color? So that was a test.

So Or-Tal Kiriati, multi-disciplinary project-based learning, a lot of really cool things here, neat ideas Or-Tal. I'm going to be integrating this year because I love the idea of having a project, having students do some things, and having them compare and contrast with how A.I. does those tasks. And in that actually, in addition to giving them insight into the literature they're studying, also gives them insight into the comparing, contrasting human intelligence and artificial intelligence and how we can work together.

So this is fascinating. It was amazing to meet you at ISTE and thank you for coming on the Ten Minute Teacher.

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Sponsor Message and Conclusion (00:10:18:18 – 00:10:58:08)

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Vicki Davis is a full-time classroom teacher and IT Director in Georgia, USA. She is Mom of three, wife of one, and loves talking about the wise, transformational use of technology for teaching and doing good in the world. She hosts the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast which interviews teachers around the world about remarkable classroom practices to inspire and help teachers. Vicki focuses on what unites us -- a quest for truly remarkable life-changing teaching and learning. The goal of her work is to provide actionable, encouraging, relevant ideas for teachers that are grounded in the truth and shared with love. Vicki has been teaching since 2002 and blogging since 2005. Vicki has spoken around the world to inspire and help teachers reach their students. She is passionate about helping every child find purpose, passion, and meaning in life with a lifelong commitment to the joy and responsibility of learning. If you talk to Vicki for very long, she will encourage you to "Relate to Educate" or "innovate like a turtle" or to be "a remarkable teacher." She loves to talk to teachers who love their students and are trying to do their best. Twitter is her favorite place to share and she loves to make homemade sourdough bread and cinnamon rolls and enjoys running half marathons with her sisters. You can usually find her laughing with her students or digging into a book.

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timimoron September 10, 2023 - 11:21 am

I really enjoyed listening and viewing the slides about how to use AI in the classroom! I am curious as to ideas for implementing similar strategies in 4th & 5th grade, where we aren’t doing in-depth character studies yet. Also, are there other subject areas the AI can be implemented in?

Vicki Davis September 18, 2023 - 7:29 pm

I have a lot of other resources but also remember that children that age may not be able to use AI because of access issues, although you can certainly use it!


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